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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since:  Posts:  |
Geoff W Conversion to Turbo Almost Complete :-) |
Mon 02 Jul 2007 04:58:10 PM |
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Well you read it right. Today the car got towed to my best mates workshop for the final reassembly before the dyno tune.
All that's left to do now is bolt the air filter on, Bolt the valve cover back on and put the upgraded injectors and rail on. Then off to the dyno for some final touches on the cruise module which allows under 50% throttle to be in a economy mode and then once that magic 50% is reached whoosh... fuel guzzler away!! More pics and comments to follow.... watch this space :P |
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Gareth » CMF Member Blue Mountains Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 02 Jul 2007 09:41:25 PM |
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Hi Geoff, congratulations mate,
Is this the same project you started on like a year or two ago? And here was me thinking that you had given up on the Micra scene. Good to see that I was wrong and that it is still alive and well. I look forward to seeing the photos Cheers:) |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Tue 03 Jul 2007 10:59:21 AM |
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Yes this is one and the same. Life as usual has presented a few difficulties along the way. As I'm sure all of you know this is how it goes sometimes. I'm not incredibly well off so I'm forced to wait longer for the cheaper job costs. But good things come to those who wait eh! It feels so close it hurts. All in all it's taken 9 months so far since the project was given the green light. Thank goodness for company cars :)
Gareth how's your little beast going these days? I haven't heard too much about your pride and joy either. If anyone is wondering what Geoff W looks like. Check the member description i.e. Click on my name. Oh yeah and don't worry I'll be scanning in the dyno sheet and it'll be posted aswell. |
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Gareth » CMF Member Blue Mountains Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Tue 03 Jul 2007 09:43:10 PM |
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My car is still going strong. It has now done 172000 k's so thats almost 50000 k's since the conversion was done. The only problem I have had was caused by some bad fuel.
I am almost at the point where I need to decide if I sell it and buy something new with airbags, ABS, warranty etc (Nah). Or source a low k engine and go down the forged path. I know which way I would prefer, I still love the Micra, and the fact that it is so unique. There is also a real chance I will be heading over to Dubai to work for a couple of years, so it may be up for sale in the very near future:( This could be within the next couple of months. I pretty much have been offered a job at a massive golf resort there, but it is a big move for me and my family so requires a lot of thought and questions answered. Has any one ever been there? It's meant to be a great place. |
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Brendon » CMF Member Canberra Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Wed 04 Jul 2007 08:50:51 AM |
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man jobs in dubai going everywhere, i was offered to apply and go over there for 1 year, but decided against it. id rather be close to family and friends than chase that extra money, plus id be bored over there by myself.
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Wed 04 Jul 2007 09:11:32 AM |
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That's great to hear Gareth. About the car as well as the job offer. Sounds like a great opportunity. And even if you don't take it up it's still nice to be just offered chances like that.
I have a chance of going to Fiji for 2 weeks doing some GPS mapping for a proposed Resort over there. However because of study commitments I will probably be unable to go. But still it was nice to know I was in the running. |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Wed 04 Jul 2007 09:17:08 AM |
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Oh yeah back on topic of the car.
There's been a slight delay in that now the intake manifold has come off so that a full custom Fuel rail with top-feed injectors can be fitted. We tried modifying the factory injectors by drilling out the holes in the end a bit. This was supposedly done with great accuracy by a machine shop promising great results. But once we had em back yesterday and flow tested them the results were abominal. One would flow 400cc/min and the next 600cc/min. Cant have that. So i've bitten the bullet and gone the full custom route. Quick question: Does anybody know what the coolant lines through the intake/throttle body are for? I imagine that they're to aid the warmup process when starting from cold. My mate Jason just discovered this when he took the manifold off yesterday. This is the first I've heard of it. |
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evade » CMF Member Melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Thu 05 Jul 2007 07:42:51 PM |
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Yeah it controls the thermowax element and what not i believe for idle, etc..
i tapped those lines as the water source for my turbo.. Shouldve did something like my fuel rail :) Mated CG13+SR20DE rail.  |
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cisco » CMF Member Canberra Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 06 Jul 2007 08:38:41 PM |
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Exciting Geoff.. Keen to see it and hear all about it when you get behind the wheel!
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 10 Aug 2007 03:12:34 PM |
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Ok time for an update.
This is what Powerflow in Melbourne came up with for me. Extremely happy with the result. About the only thing that would have made it better would be to have made the billet rail about 1" longer so the threads of the fittings at each end didn't foul the first injector feed. Some Earls fittings sorted that out anyway. Powerflow deal with mostly race cars and top end street cars. Skylines/supras and the like. Thus the current setup is definately overkill. But I can never say I will run outta fuel! They made up the rail, fitted the top feed injectors and made the adaptor for the new throttle body. I am yet to confirm what the throttle body came from however I'll be sure to let you know. The drama with that is that the throttle cable will have to be turned 90 degrees to link up with the throttle body. Another obstacle. Ah well. This is the way things go. Anyhow enjoy. And yes it was costly, however when you consider the sum value of the parts supplied it brings it into perspective. |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 10 Aug 2007 03:15:15 PM |
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This one shows the short distance from the thread to the feed for the injector.
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 10 Aug 2007 03:16:48 PM |
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Another angle of the whole thing.
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 10 Aug 2007 03:17:54 PM |
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The adaptor plate.
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 10 Aug 2007 03:19:22 PM |
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One more
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 10 Aug 2007 03:21:01 PM |
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So yeah that's it. Im impressed and would recommend Powerflow to you all if the custom route is the way you choose to go.
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cisco » CMF Member Canberra Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 10 Aug 2007 06:56:39 PM |
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That rail is a work of art.
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JKL » CMF Member Wollongong Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 10 Aug 2007 09:39:00 PM |
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Check it out!!! What type of injectors are they? Your adaptor and throttle body almost looks like a Dominator sitting on top there... aaron WROTE: "Yeah it controls the thermowax element and what not i believe for idle, etc.. i tapped those lines as the water source for my turbo.. Shouldve did something like my fuel rail :) Mated CG13+SR20DE rail>" Very interested in that one for mine... Im looking at my injector and Fuel rail options at the moment. |
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fred » CMF Member Murwillumbah Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 08:04:18 AM |
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wow, if you're not envious of that, go ride a cow. That is one fantastic rail, man.
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Dark Side » CMF Member Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 11:27:06 AM |
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Yes sure is a work of art. Well done Geoff. We are awaiting the rising
of the beast. As you said been a long and winding road but you are nearly there. Cisco, when its finished needs a place in the Forced Micra section. |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 05:14:15 PM |
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Cheers for the great comments guys. It makes me feel better that everyone else likes it too. Sometimes I feel like a crazy person for doing this.
Today Jason and I (but mostly Jason!) re-installed the intake manifold. It was interesting to say the least but we plugged away. Doing something like this makes you realise why mechanics charge the fees they do. There's vacuum and water hoses going everywhere! The only things left to rectify is the throttle cable linkage and some new injector plugs to match the top feeds. Then it should be time for fuel saturation :P Then some tuning and yay. I know there'll be something else pop up but I can see light at the end of the tunnel. By the way the throttle body is still unidentified. It seems similar to a Subaru design so I'll have to keep an eye out next time I have my head under the bonnet. Powerflow just had something lying around that was about the right size and would still allow the piping to hook up to the throttle body with minimal fuss. This is because the piping was made up with the factory throttle body in place. Here's some pics of the progress |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 05:15:00 PM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 05:16:05 PM |
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Sorry they are a little blurry. I will edit this post one day with some better pics.
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 05:17:21 PM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 05:18:20 PM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 05:19:13 PM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 05:21:26 PM |
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And then, tired after its reinvigoration.... it sleeps
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Dark Side » CMF Member Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 06:12:00 PM |
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The dark side about to be unleashed.
Mate you have got yourself a ride. |
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fred » CMF Member Murwillumbah Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 11 Aug 2007 09:53:26 PM |
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is it my imagination or do you still have your A/C?
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sun 12 Aug 2007 03:28:09 PM |
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It's your imagination. I have had to remove the A/C for the intercooler. The plan was to try and keep it, but it was just a little too much stuffing around. The alternator and things just stayed where they were.
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sun 12 Aug 2007 06:52:09 PM |
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Im planning on making the car my weekend beast, with occasional blasts on a short circuit or hillclimb.
I'm a member of the Local car club the Newcastle MG Car club, who operate a short 30sec hillclimb circuit and the Famous King Edward Park Hillclimb. This year will be the 50th year of the event and has had such drivers as Jack Brabham participate over the years. |
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cisco » CMF Member Canberra Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 13 Aug 2007 12:11:12 PM |
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Seeing a turbo micra at the King Edward Park hillclimb would seriously be something to see. I would love it. Get in there!
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evade » CMF Member Melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 13 Aug 2007 05:01:06 PM |
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Nice geoff!
Only thing I'd do is get a proper catch can setup...I had one like that hanging off the rocker cover and you will get a crapload of oil vapour and what not coming out of it..and its no good for fuel lines etc that are near there...can cause them to deteriorate and crack...Plus your engine bay gets filthy quicker |
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smidge » CMF Member Sydney Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 13 Aug 2007 05:48:58 PM |
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running the PCV to the catch can or just having the can vent to the atmos?
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tris » CMF Member sydney Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 13 Aug 2007 08:44:06 PM |
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wow nice work... very keen to see the whole thing once its done!!! im soo jelous i want a turbo..... how much roughly all up has it cost you?? like under 10k?
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Yom » CMF Member Brisbane Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 13 Aug 2007 09:33:26 PM |
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smidge WROTE: "running the PCV to the catch can or just having the can vent to the atmos?" Has to be connected to the catch can and then plumbed back into the intake to be emissions friendly. If you get a decent catch can with an oil/air seperator you will have stuff all oil get into the intake. Its definately the legal way to go. |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 03 Sep 2007 10:45:40 AM |
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Here's some other pics of the engine bay completed... almost.
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 03 Sep 2007 10:46:29 AM |
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again.. straight from the phone to here.
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smidge » CMF Member Sydney Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 03 Sep 2007 04:57:20 PM |
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any particular mods you had to do to any systems that use VAC pressure to operate?
one way valves etc? does the boost running through it give you any grief with the cooling system? coming along nicely! |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Tue 04 Sep 2007 11:23:41 AM |
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Thanks smidge.
Im a little unsure of any changes needed to vacuum operated systems as I didn't do this part of the work. All that credit goes to my mechanic/best mate who I'm sure is very on top of things like this. As for cooling system, I've not run the car for about 6 months so unsure of that one too. Although it has been tuned on a dyno for base maps and there was no problems then. Standard radiator and new thermostat about 1 year ago (which equals about 2000km!!!) |
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Bushido » CMF Member Toyota city Japan Member since: Posts: |
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Thu 06 Sep 2007 10:42:39 AM |
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Geoff nice car man!
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Thu 06 Sep 2007 01:13:38 PM |
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Hey Bushido thanks for your comments. Havent seen you on the site for a while.
How bout you make a separate post of some updated pics of your car. I just read your profile and it sounds like the goods. Very interested to see other micras and what people have done. |
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Bushido » CMF Member Toyota city Japan Member since: Posts: |
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Mon 10 Sep 2007 04:38:16 PM |
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yeah been busy with work latley, not so much time to get online.. the march is off the road at the moment, my wifes bike blew over in a recent typhon and dented the side panel and hood pretty bad. have the hood off now.. getting it banged out and repainted.
once I get it back together Ill post some pics |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:34:15 AM |
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Okay People!!!
Big News! My car came home yesterday :) woo hoo.... After many many dramas and delays due to circumstances out of our control, My good friend and genius mechanic completed his part of the work yesterday. All that's left to do now is to get a final tune to ensure that injector duty cycles line up with Throttle position etc. Really minor stuff really. Jason has set up a base map in the EMS and let me tell you even on 6psi the push into the seat is quite surprising. So here's some pics and a couple of videos for you all.. PS Dyno graph to come. Ha ha Caption: Its got balls :P |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:38:18 AM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:39:42 AM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:40:39 AM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:41:40 AM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:42:39 AM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:43:42 AM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:45:41 AM |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:46:48 AM |
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evade » CMF Member Melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:47:23 AM |
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Awesome geoff..i reckon you'll do well with this car, looks like youve covered most bases well..
boost it up to 8psi and have some fun :) maybe 10 for some real smiling haha. did you remove the airflow meter out of the throttle body? i dont think it makes much diff ..i left mine in there prepare to have LOTS of fun surprising unsuspecting drivers out there... get lots of vids too haha so how much power you make? |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:48:33 AM |
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And finally the links for the videos..... Enjoy peoples.... That's Jason Driving. I'll wait till it's safe to drive it.
http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/mr_308/?action=view¤t=MOV00434.flv |
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:51:07 AM |
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And another with the mighty drive by. Keep in mind that this is using no more than 20% throttle. Fully boosted by 3 grand and wants to pull away hard.
Quite amazing really. And yet addictive :P http://s71.photobucket.com/albums/i153/mr_308/?action=view¤t=MOV00435.flv |
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evade » CMF Member Melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 11:54:55 AM |
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haha flutters like my old car.
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Geoff W » CMF Member Newcastle Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 12:08:12 PM |
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aaron WROTE: "Did you remove the airflow meter out of the throttle body? i dont think it makes much diff ..i left mine in there prepare to have LOTS of fun surprising unsuspecting drivers out there... get lots of vids too haha so how much power you make?" Aaron (formerly known as Evade :) ) The throttle body is something off a toyota, so no airflow meter. The sensors include, air temp, MAP sensor, O2 sensor water temp etc. I was just amazed to feel the pull from a passengers perspective. and it sorta rocked over and started to spin and torque steer, with only 20% throttle!!!!! Awesome and well and truly worth the wait. I must say an absolutely massive thanks to my best mate and Master Mechanic Jason. Cause I really couldn't have done it without him. He's built this car and deserves to be truly proud. |
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sportsclassic » CMF Member sydney Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 01:04:06 PM |
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very nice Geoff!!!
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evade » CMF Member Melbourne Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 04:24:48 PM |
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ahh cool, sounds good man..my car didnt have much torque down low but once it built up boost it gave you a nice push along..turbo was a bit big
its a big diff sitting in the drivers and passengers seat..you definately feel it more in the passenger seat |
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fred » CMF Member Murwillumbah Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Sat 15 Mar 2008 05:35:49 PM |
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well, must be turbo season..... its gonna be a great winter! That's really fantastic, your engine bay is super neat... I'm gunna havta rewire and tidy up mine.... Be interesting to get some figures, that reminds me... I should get some dyno time, myself.... (after water injection install)
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Tony » CMF Member Brisbane Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 04 Apr 2008 09:59:27 PM |
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Does anybody no if this things running 100% yet?
hey Geoff W hows it goin? what stage are you at? Been watchin your car for years mate,and loven it |
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turbo march-rolling shell » CMF Member brisbane Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 04 Apr 2008 10:20:38 PM |
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Tony » CMF Member Brisbane Australia Member since: Posts: |
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Fri 04 Apr 2008 10:25:15 PM |
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Thanks mate,needing some inspiration.
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